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#1. AtG PreRelease info from WotC! by Gryfalia

I don't think this email is a secret, tho I don't have a way to post the map update right now, but here's info we just got from WotC:

Everything you need to know about the Against the Giants Release Events

1. Maps

The maps you were sent were printed without the victory areas and start
areas. For this I apologize. Attached is a picture showing the correct
location for the victory and start areas. You can modify the maps using
this information.

Additionally, there are rules allowing players to use any legal map
using Huge minis. The "Squeeze Rule" is included in Against the Giants
boosters. I have reproduced the rule below:

Huge Creatures and Moving

Many of the maps available for play with the D&D Miniatures

Game have areas on them that are too small for Huge creatures

to occupy normally. However, a Huge creature can move

through a 2-square-wide opening in blocking terrain by using

a move action to squeeze.

Squeeze: Move, Huge creature only; treat this creature as

Large (2-square-by-2-square base) and move it up to half

its Speed. At the end of this move, it expands back into its

normal size and must occupy a legal position (including the

space in which it ended the squeeze action). While squeezing,

the creature grants combat advantage to all enemies and has

-5 Attack (if it is able to attack while moving). It provokes
opportunity

attacks from enemies that are adjacent to it at the

start of the squeeze.

Maps that are identified as Epic have enough space to let

Huge creatures move around without squeezing.

2. Format

Against the Giants release events will use a new format called
"400-point Epic Sealed." The rules for this format can be found in the
newly updated DDM Floor Rules. The rules can be downloaded at
http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dci/doccenter/home. The important
stuff about 400-Point Limited:

- Warbands may be no more than 400-points. They may be less.

- Warbands may not contain more than 10 figures.

- Warbands may not contain multiples of unique models.

- Warbands have no single miniature point limit.

3. Scenario

Against the Giants Release events will use the "Assault Scenario":

Victory: Victory goes to the first player to score victory points equal
to the warband limit (400 Points in a 400-point Epic Limited
tournament).

There are two ways to score victory points:

1) Eliminate enemy creatures: Players score victory points equal to
the cost of each eliminated model.

2) Occupy an appropriate victory area: At the end of each round, if
a player has a model on one or more appropriate victory areas that
player is awarded twenty (20) victory points. A model that takes up
multiple squares is considered to be on a victory area if any part of
the model is in that area.

4. Promo Mini.

Players are allowed to use the Promo mini in their warbands at Against
the Giants Release Events.

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#2. by Zippy

So If I build a no-huges warband, a nice tight "non-Epic" map is legal to play and gives me a distinct advantage?

What maps were you sent - is the intent to have everyone play on a certain (new) map throughout the pre-release?

Squeezing does not work on Drow Outpost bridge among others (pits and statues are not blocking terrain).

Thanks for the info.

Last edited Jul 3, 2008 1:37 pm by Zippy

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#3. by deadseashoals, responding to ZippyGo to post


Zippy said:
So If I build a no-huges warband, a nice tight "non-Epic" map is legal to play and gives me a distinct advantage?

What maps were you sent - is the intent to have everyone play on a certain (new) map throughout the pre-release?

Squeezing does not work on Drow Outpost bridge among others (pits and statues are not blocking terrain).

Thanks for the info.

Sure about that? The rules description of squeezing didn't say you couldn't just squeeze whenever you want.

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#4. by PhoenixInferno, responding to ZippyGo to post


Zippy said:Squeezing does not work on Drow Outpost bridge among others (pits and statues are not blocking terrain).
Except that every square you move into has to be a legal position, so no - you have to squeeze through the bridge on Drow Outpost.

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#5. by Zippy

It really depends on how we interpret the above text (also assuming the text is correct).

The 1st paragraph says a creature can squeeze if:
1) It is huge, AND
2) It is moving through a 2 square wide opening between blocking terrain
"Huge Creatures and Moving
Many of the maps available for play with the D&D Miniatures Game have areas on them that are too small for Huge creatures to occupy normally. However, a Huge creature can move through a 2-square-wide opening in blocking terrain by using a move action to squeeze."
It does not allow large or smaller to squeeze, nor does it allow a huge to squeeze between pits, between a statue and a wall, between an enemy and a wall.

The next paragraph describes the mechanics of that squeeze.

So if you think the 1st paragraph is "flavor text", yes a huge could squeeze across Drow Outpost bridge. Also squeeze between 2 enemies. Squeeze whenever it wants.

But if you go by the opening paragraph text, Drow Outpost bridge is not a place a huge could squeeze (pits are not blocking terrain).

Can someone post a link to the actual booster insert, or verify the Squeeze text verbatim?

My point is: I think the rule text and the intent don't match.

Last edited Jul 3, 2008 2:25 pm by Zippy

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#6. by IanB, responding to PhoenixInfernoGo to post


PhoenixInferno said:

Zippy said:Squeezing does not work on Drow Outpost bridge among others (pits and statues are not blocking terrain).
Except that every square you move into has to be a legal position, so no - you have to squeeze through the bridge on Drow Outpost.

What he's suggesting is that a huge can't move through the bridge period, because the letter suggests you can only squeeze to get past blocking terrain.

I'm pretty sure that's not actually right, but it could be read that way.

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#7. by Benimoto, responding to ZippyGo to post


Zippy said:
Can someone post a link to the actual booster insert, or verify the Squeeze text verbatim?

Yeah, that's the text verbatim from the booster insert, I believe. I would guess from the wording, that the first paragraph is intended as "flavor text" and is not meant to restrict the use of the Squeeze action.

In other words, the part that says "a Huge creature can move through a 2-square opening in blocking terrain..." is intended as an example of use, and not the only possible way you could use the Squeeze action.

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#8. by Red Ranger

The maps provided are the "King's Road" on the back of the posters. Unfortunately I noticed last night and didn't have a chance to post that there are no victory areas. It's the same map as included with Keep on the Shadowfell with the updated terrain markings.

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#9. by Zippy

The extension of "1st paragraph is only flavor text" is that a huge can squeeze between things other than just blocking terrain.

For example it could squeeze between enemies, or squeeze just to avoid an OA in the middle of clear terrain.

It seems either interpretation does not quite hit the mark - I am guessing the intent was to only be able to squeeze between impassable terrain.

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#10. by demetri0us

I finally got some pictures taken... prolly pointless now, but here you go:


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#11. by Kevizoid, responding to ZippyGo to post


Zippy said:
The extension of "1st paragraph is only flavor text" is that a huge can squeeze between things other than just blocking terrain.

For example it could squeeze between enemies, or squeeze just to avoid an OA in the middle of clear terrain.

It seems either interpretation does not quite hit the mark - I am guessing the intent was to only be able to squeeze between impassable terrain.


I think any judge with half a brain will rule that you could only split through terrain stuff. i.e. just take the blocking terrain only interpretation and throw in stuff like pits as well.

Last edited Jul 4, 2008 2:51 am by Kevizoid

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#12. by Brig

Even if the Judge didn't allow you to cross the bridge most of the hudges have ranged capabilities or flying or reach 3 which will cover that central VA and they can still sit in the VA and most of your pieces will miss the high AC/DEFs of the Huges. You will eventually need to engage. I think you will most likely need to field atleast one Huge unless you pull the Ghoul King and Ice Devil.

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#13. by Zippy

And the Chain Golem promo is playable in case you have low value pulls.

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