doubtofbuddha said:
The Eternal Blade's bonus damage no longer applies on a miss for auto-damage attacks. The Eternal Blade's save bonuses must now be used before the actual save is rolled. These two fixes (plus the defender fix and the new stats) have reduced my concern about the EB's balance greatly.

Brad, what is your Top 10 figure list?

I didn't notice that but you're right. Thanks, that's good to know!

ktatroe said:
p. *Missing:*
10 Gargoyle U
17 Warrior Wight U
44 Emerald Orb Wizard R
57 Hook Horror U

Gargoyle U
29 pts
Factions B, C
Level 9
AC 23
DEF 22
Speed F7
HP 50

Attack Actions
Claw: +13 vs AC; 15 Damage
Stonesoul Frenzy: Use only if this creature began its turn in Stone Form; move up to its Speed and attack each enemy once whose space it enters this turn, +11 vs DEF(Ref); 15 Damage AND Slowed (Speed 2)

Abilities
Evil - Gargoyle - Earth
Flight

Special Powers
Stone Form: Replaces attack action; this creature cannot move, attack, or threaten enemies and has Resist 20 All. If this creature starts a round in Stone Form, it can leave Stone Form on its turn by taking a move action. While in Stone Form, this creature cannot score VP.

Warrior Wight U
30 pts
Factions B, U
Level 9
AC 28
DEF 23
Speed 5
HP 60

Attack Actions
Longsword: +14 vs AC; 15 Damage AND Followup on attack roll of natural 16+
Follup: +9 vs DEF(Will); 10 necrotic Damage AND this creature heals 10 HP and gets +2 Attack until the end of its next turn

Abilities
Evil - Undead - Wight
Immune Poison
Resist 5 Necrotic
Vulnerable 5 Radiant

Emerald Orb Wizard
33 pts
Factions C, U
Level 9
AC 20
DEF 23
Speed 7
HP 40

Attack Actions
Dagger: +8 vs AC; 5 Damage
Orb Blast: (all adjacent enemies) 10 automatic Damage
Sudden Spikes: (nearest, radius 2) +11 vs DEF(Ref); 20 Damage, +10 if target is in difficult terrain
[] Shard Storm: (range 10, radius 2) +7 vs DEF (Ref); 25 Damage; hit or miss, 1 clear square in area becomes difficult terrain

Abilities
Human - Wizard

Special Powers
Orb Ward: Enemies whose attacks miss this creature take 15 Damage.

Hook Horror
65 pts
Factions U, W
Level 13
AC 25
DEF 20
Speed 6
HP 95

Attack Actions
Hook: +15 vs AC; 20 Damage
Latch On; Nonadjacent smaller target only, +13 vs DEF (Fort); 30 Damage AND pull target 1 square
Thresh: Use when no enemies are adjacent; make 2 attacks

Abilities
Aberrant
+4 DEF (Fort)
Reach 2
Evil Soul: +5 Damage while in a warband with an Evil champion.
Lethal: +4 Attack against Bloodied targets.

bshugg said:
It's more a kneejerk reaction back to the days when CE was so amazing in the first 4 sets. We are going to be rapidly getting more figs that on a month the whole balance may be changed. It's gonna be a fun metagame up until GenCon as we keep getting new releases smashing up the environment.

Pre Dung of Dread it would be something like this.

1. EB
2. Farmer
3. Drider
4. Astral Stalker
Shrieking harpy
Merchant Guard
Werewolf Champ
Capri Copper
Rot Scarab Swarm
Nightmare

Basically 7 out of 10 with the top 4 all being borderlands.

My top 4 favorite picks so far from Dung are:
Oni
Death Knight
Vrock
Sellsword

Which are all borderlands as well. Not sure where things would settle in until we have seen the whole set.

Looks like a solid list.

It's looking like merchant guard and werewolf champ will both take a hit with DoD2. The merchant guard due to a lot more AE effects, the werewolf champ due to a lot more attacks vs def.

I think the hag is worth mentioning in the DoD2 set. Very fragile but for 22 points, she provides all the anti-mob abilities your warband needs.

The figures that most excite me from Dungeons of Dread are (in no particular order):
Cleric of Pelor
Halfling Paladin
Elf Archer
Death Knight
Howling Hag
Champion of Baphomet
Goblin Picador

These are other figures that I think are probably going to be competitive as well, but am uncertain about at this time:
Dwarf Warlord
Oni
Eye of Flame
Immolith
Vrock
Rakshasa Baron
Vampire Vizier
Kobold Archer
Wyvern
Bulette
Deathjump Spider
Bralani

doubtofbuddha said:
The figures that most excite me from Dungeons of Dread are (in no particular order):
Cleric of Pelor
Halfling Paladin
Elf Archer
Death Knight
Howling Hag
Champion of Baphomet
Goblin Picador

These are other figures that I think are probably going to be competitive as well, but am uncertain about at this time:
Dwarf Warlord
Oni
Eye of Flame
Immolith
Vrock
Rakshasa Baron
Vampire Vizier
Kobold Archer
Wyvern
Bulette
Deathjump Spider
Bralani

I agree with this list from what I saw at XP but I would add the Warrior Wight and Drow Spiderguard to the second list.

Added {Gargoyle:dungeons_of_dread}, Warrior Wight, Emerald Orb Wizard, and {Hook Horror:dungeons_of_dread}, as posted by Aron.

In case they're not already listed.

Dwarf Warlord
Borderlands 58
Level 12
AC 26
DEF 24
Speed 5
HP 80
Champion 3

[B] Dwarven Waraxe: +19 vs AC; 20 Damage
[] [R] Crossbow: (nearest) +14 vs AC; 15 Damage
[] [M] Drive into Peril: +19 vs AC; 30 Damage AND push target up to 2 squares; an ally can make a free basic attack against that target if adjacent to it after push; RECHARGE when 2 or more enemies are adjacent to this creature at end of its turn

Abilities: Good, Dwarf, +4 DEF (Fort)

Champion 3
* Use when an ally's attack roll is a natural 18+. That attack becomes a critical.
* Use when this champion is the first creature you activate in a round. All Dwarf creatures in your warband get +2 Speed and +2 Attack this round.

Dave

Young Silver Dragon
Civilization 62
Level 8
AC 23
DEF 21
Speed F7
HP 95

Attack Actions
[B] Bite: +13 vs AC; 15 + 10 cold Damage
[] [C] Cold Breath: (large cone) +8 vs DEF (Fort); 40 cold Damage AND target is pushed 1 square and Immobilized (save ends); RECHARGE when first bloodied

Abilities: Good, Dragon, Flight, Reach 2, Resist 5 Cold

Champion 2
* Use when this champion uses its Cold Breath. Creatures in your warband score criticals against Evil targets on attack rolls of natural 18+ this round.
* +10 VP when this champion starts a round in one of your victory areas.

Dave

Young Red Dragon
Borderlands 52
Level 7
AC 24
DEF 18
Speed F8
HP 85

Attack actions
[B] Fiery Bite: +15 vs AC; 10 + 10 fire Damage
[M] Draconic Fury: 2 attacks, +13 vs AC; 15 Damage each
[] [C] Fiery Breath: (large cone) +11 vs DEF (Ref); 25 fire Damage; RECHARGE when first Bloodied

Abilities: Evil, Dragon, flight, Reach 2, Resist 5 Fire

Champion 2
*Use when a critical is scored: +20 Damage.
*Use before taking your first turn of a round. The player whose warband destroys the highest-cost enemy this round scores +15 VP.

Dave

Many of the pieces in DoD2 excite me based on how interesting the powers work, even if the piece itself isn't the best. It sure makes the game interesting.

As for competetiveness, I'll be looking at the following:

Elf Archer
Death Knight
Eye of Flame Beholder
Howling Hag
Lamia
EverFrost Ranger
Iron Defender
Oni
Shadow Demon
Champion of Baphamut
Wyvern
Runecarved Eidolon
Bulette
Vrock
Skeletal Tomb Guardian
Warrior Wight
Young Red Dragon

oh i meant halfling paladin too. can't edit on work computer

Thanks a lot Dave for the info on the Dragons, I am always most excited about the dragons, though in this particular case they don't seem like too good a piece for the points.

Thanks again,
Rafa.

djtool, I thought you were playing with Underdark exclusively?

Updated with the stats of the Dwarf Warlord, Young Silver Dragon, and Young Red Dragon.

Surprised to see the dragons listed as Good and Evil respectively. I thought they'd done away with that.

Matt, this set could have been made before they came to that decision.

47. Tiefling Warlock U
A repaint comes with each purchase of a case of minis
Faction: Civilization/ Underdark
Cost: 27 pts
Lvl 8
AC 22
Def 18
Spd 6
HP 55
(Basic Melee) Soul Blast: +8 vs. Def (Fort); 15 damage
(Ranged) Inevitable Blast (Range 10) +8 vs. Def (Ref) 20 Damage, 10 on miss if your warband outnumbers opponents warband
[] (Ranged) Price of Pride (Range 5) +8 vs. Def (will) 20 Damage and 10 Damage whenever target's attack roll is natural 10+ (max once per turn) until end of battle.
Abilities:
Tiefling - +4 Def (Will)

doubtofbuddha said:
djtool, I thought you were playing with Underdark exclusively?

it wasn't long after making that decision that I realized I can never play DDM outside of VASSAL. Which means that I'm better off just buying, trading, or borrowing my qualifier band. So I don't have that restriction anymore.

I’m not the brightest guy, but can someone explain why the silver dragon costs more than the red? I’m not seeing it. It’s breath attacks lower (so is more likely to miss) and it doesn’t have the other attack the red has. It has lower AC, but 10 more hps….but still?

edited: jeez, I had to edit two typos, proving how bright I’m not (dang new computer/keyboard).

Zaukrie said:
I'm not the brightest guy, but can someone explain why the silver dragon costs more than the red? I'm not seeing it. It's breath attacks lower (so is more likely to miss) and it doesn't have the other attack the red has. It has lower AC, but 10 more hps....but still?

edited: jeez, I had to edit two typos, proving how bright I'm not (dang new computer/keyboard).

The BW is more likely to miss, but if it hits it is MUCH better. 40 damage AND a push 1 AND immobilize with save ends, vs just 25 damage. It also has 3 higher defense, and there are a lot of attacks that target defense out there. The red's defense of 18 is *extremely* low.

The silver isn't too good overall though, I pulled it on Thursday and I kinda regret playing it.